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FOR IMPEACHMENT DONALD. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHING THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHING YOU, BUT HE DOESN’T WATCH. YOU, BUT HE DOESN’T WATCH. WE’LL HAVE MUCH MORE ON THE WE’LL HAVE MUCH MORE ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS POLLING IN SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS POLLING IN JUST A MOMENT. JUST A MOMENT.>>>WE ALSO LEARNED YESTERDAY>>>WE ALSO LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THE WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THE INQUIRY CALLING IT ILLEGITIMATE INQUIRY CALLING IT ILLEGITIMATE AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. WE’VE GOT THE FIRST SIGN OF THAT WE’VE GOT THE FIRST SIGN OF THAT WHEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT WHEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT BLOCKED E.U. AMBASSADOR, GORDON BLOCKED E.U. AMBASSADOR, GORDON SONDLAND A KEY WITNESS IN THE SONDLAND A KEY WITNESS IN THE PROBE FROM TESTIFYING BEFORE PROBE FROM TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS. CONGRESS. DEMOCRATS RESPONDED TO THAT BY DEMOCRATS RESPONDED TO THAT BY ISSUEING A SUBPOENA TO COMPEL HI ISSUEING A SUBPOENA TO COMPEL HI TESTIMONY AND FOR DOCUMENTS TESTIMONY AND FOR DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT’S RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO GET UKRAINIAN EFFORTS TO GET UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS TO INVESTIGATE JOE OFFICIALS TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON. BIDEN AND HIS SON. AND REMEMBER THE TEXT MESSAGE AND REMEMBER THE TEXT MESSAGE THAT DIPLOMAT BILL TAYLOR SENT THAT DIPLOMAT BILL TAYLOR SENT SONDLAND THAT SAID IT WAS, SONDLAND THAT SAID IT WAS, QUOTE, CRAZY TO WITHHOLD QUOTE, CRAZY TO WITHHOLD MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE TO HELP MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE TO HELP THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN? THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN? A SOURCE NOW TELLS NBC NEWS THAT A SOURCE NOW TELLS NBC NEWS THAT BEFORE RESPONDING HOURS LATER, BEFORE RESPONDING HOURS LATER, QUOTE, NO QUID PRO QUO, SONDLAND QUOTE, NO QUID PRO QUO, SONDLAND ACTUALLY CALLED AND CONSULTED ACTUALLY CALLED AND CONSULTED WITH THE PRESIDENT. WITH THE PRESIDENT. THERE’S ALSO NEW REPORTING THERE’S ALSO NEW REPORTING RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT’S CALL RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT’S CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” ONE DAY AFTER THAT CALL, TIMES,” ONE DAY AFTER THAT CALL, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WROTE A MEMO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WROTE A MEMO ABOUT A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WHO ABOUT A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WHO WAS, QUOTE, VISIBLY SHAKEN AFTER WAS, QUOTE, VISIBLY SHAKEN AFTER LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION AND CITING TWO SOURCES, CNN IS AND CITING TWO SOURCES, CNN IS REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S DEMAND FOR ENERGY SECRETARY RICK DEMAND FOR ENERGY SECRETARY RICK PERRY AND TWO OTHER TOP STATE PERRY AND TWO OTHER TOP STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS TO WORK DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS TO WORK WITH RUDY GIULIANI ON UKRAINE WITH RUDY GIULIANI ON UKRAINE DATES BACK TO AT LEAST MAY, AND DATES BACK TO AT LEAST MAY, AND THEN THERE’S THIS. THEN THERE’S THIS. DESPITE THE PRESIDENT’S QUEST TO DESPITE THE PRESIDENT’S QUEST TO PROVE THAT UKRAINE INTERFERED IN PROVE THAT UKRAINE INTERFERED IN THE 2016 ELECTION TO HELP THE 2016 ELECTION TO HELP HILLARY CLINTON, THE HILLARY CLINTON, THE REPUBLICAN-LED SENATE REPUBLICAN-LED SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE RELEASED INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE RELEASED A BIPARTISAN REPORT YESTERDAY A BIPARTISAN REPORT YESTERDAY THAT AFFIRMS THE ASSESSMENT FROM THAT AFFIRMS THE ASSESSMENT FROM THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT RUSSIA USED A VAST SOCIAL MEDIA RUSSIA USED A VAST SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN TO HELP TRUMP WIN THE CAMPAIGN TO HELP TRUMP WIN THE ELECTION. ELECTION. JOE, A LOT TO UNPACK HERE BEFORE JOE, A LOT TO UNPACK HERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE WE EVEN GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE RESPONSE TO THE IMPEACHMENT RESPONSE TO THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. INQUIRY.>>WHY DON’T WE START WITH THAT>>WHY DON’T WE START WITH THAT LAST ITEM. LAST ITEM. YOU KNOW, JOHN MEACHAM, YOU KNOW, JOHN MEACHAM, REPUBLICANS AND DEFENDERS, REPUBLICANS AND DEFENDERS, PEOPLE WHO BLINDLY DEFEND DONALD PEOPLE WHO BLINDLY DEFEND DONALD TRUMP REGARDLESS ALWAYS SEIZE ON TRUMP REGARDLESS ALWAYS SEIZE ON THE MUELLER REPORT AND SAY THERE THE MUELLER REPORT AND SAY THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. WAS NO COLLUSION. THERE WAS A RUSSIAN WITCH HUNT, THERE WAS A RUSSIAN WITCH HUNT, IT WAS A WITCH HUNT, IT WAS A IT WAS A WITCH HUNT, IT WAS A HOAX AND BREEZE PAST ALL OF THE HOAX AND BREEZE PAST ALL OF THE TROUBLING FINDINGS IN THERE. TROUBLING FINDINGS IN THERE. WE STILL HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS WE STILL HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS STILL CHASING DOWN CONSPIRACY STILL CHASING DOWN CONSPIRACY THEORIES ACROSS THE WORLD WITH THEORIES ACROSS THE WORLD WITH HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL INSTEAD OF HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON WORRYING ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON AT HOME TRYING TO PROVE THAT THE AT HOME TRYING TO PROVE THAT THE RUSSIANS, IN FACT, WERE NOT AT RUSSIANS, IN FACT, WERE NOT AT THE CENTER OF IT, THAT IT WAS THE CENTER OF IT, THAT IT WAS UKRAINE OR SOMEBODY ELSE. UKRAINE OR SOMEBODY ELSE. CROWD STRIKE. CROWD STRIKE. HERE WE HAVE THE REPUBLICAN-LED HERE WE HAVE THE REPUBLICAN-LED INTEL COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE SAYING FOR HIS STORY AS A MATTER SAYING FOR HIS STORY AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT THE RUSSIANS OF FACT THAT THE RUSSIANS ACTUALLY DID INFLUENCE OUR 2016 ACTUALLY DID INFLUENCE OUR 2016 ELECTION. ELECTION. THEY TRIED TO INFLUENCE IT AT THEY TRIED TO INFLUENCE IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF DONALD LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. THEY ARE NOW LINED UP WITH THE THEY ARE NOW LINED UP WITH THE FBI, THE CIA, EVERY FEDERAL FBI, THE CIA, EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY NOW AGREES ON THE SAME AGENCY NOW AGREES ON THE SAME THING ALONG WITH THE SENATE THING ALONG WITH THE SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE THAT THE INTEL COMMITTEE THAT THE RUSSIANS TRIED TO INFLUENCE THE RUSSIANS TRIED TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION TO HELP ELECT DONALD ELECTION TO HELP ELECT DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. THE ONLY PERSON IN WASHINGTON THE ONLY PERSON IN WASHINGTON APPARENTLY WHO STILL DOESN’T APPARENTLY WHO STILL DOESN’T BELIEVE THIS IS DONALD TRUMP. BELIEVE THIS IS DONALD TRUMP.>>RIGHT, WELL, HE SAYS HE>>RIGHT, WELL, HE SAYS HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IT, AND I DOESN’T BELIEVE IT, AND I SUSPECT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE SUSPECT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE HERE IS A REVIFIFICATION, IF YOU HERE IS A REVIFIFICATION, IF YOU WILL, A RENEWAL OF THE OUTRAGE WILL, A RENEWAL OF THE OUTRAGE OF THE CONCERN OF THE FACT THAT OF THE CONCERN OF THE FACT THAT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY HAS BEEN OUR NATIONAL SECURITY HAS BEEN AT RISK HERE, AND WE DON’T HAVE AT RISK HERE, AND WE DON’T HAVE TO BE HYSTERICAL ABOUT IT. TO BE HYSTERICAL ABOUT IT. THIS DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A THIS DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A PARTISAN ISSUE. PARTISAN ISSUE. THAT’S THE CRITICAL THING HERE. THAT’S THE CRITICAL THING HERE. THESE ARE PRETTY COLD FACTS, THESE ARE PRETTY COLD FACTS, STONE COLD TO USE ONE OF THE STONE COLD TO USE ONE OF THE PRESIDENT’S FAVORITE LOCUTIONS. PRESIDENT’S FAVORITE LOCUTIONS. I GO BACK TO THAT CRAZY LIBERAL I GO BACK TO THAT CRAZY LIBERAL DICK CHENEY WHO SAID THAT IF, IN DICK CHENEY WHO SAID THAT IF, IN FACT, RUSSIA TRIED TO TAMPER FACT, RUSSIA TRIED TO TAMPER WITH THE ELECTIONS, INFLUENCE WITH THE ELECTIONS, INFLUENCE THE ELECTIONS, IT WAS AN ACT OF THE ELECTIONS, IT WAS AN ACT OF WAR. WAR. WELL, HERE WE HAVE IT, AND I WELL, HERE WE HAVE IT, AND I THINK THAT ALSO PUTS THE ENTIRE THINK THAT ALSO PUTS THE ENTIRE STORY IN A CONTEXT THAT, AGAIN, STORY IN A CONTEXT THAT, AGAIN, NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND ON THE NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND ON THE IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM BE DRIVEN IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM BE DRIVEN BY THE FACTS, AND AS YOU SAY, BY THE FACTS, AND AS YOU SAY, HERE’S A REPUBLICAN-LED HERE’S A REPUBLICAN-LED COMMITTEE SAYING WHAT SEEMS TO COMMITTEE SAYING WHAT SEEMS TO BE OBVIOUS, AND THAT’S THE BE OBVIOUS, AND THAT’S THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE’RE DEAL ING CONTEXT IN WHICH WE’RE DEAL ING HERE. HERE. WE HAVE BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM A WE HAVE BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM A FOREIGN POWER THAT WANTS TO SOW FOREIGN POWER THAT WANTS TO SOW CHAOS, ASKND THEY’VE DONE IT. CHAOS, ASKND THEY’VE DONE IT. HERE WE ARE. HERE WE ARE.>>WELL, AND YOU KNOW, DAVID>>WELL, AND YOU KNOW, DAVID IGNATIUS TINGI THINK AT THIS POI IGNATIUS TINGI THINK AT THIS POI WE JUST NEED TO GO DOWN THE LIST WE JUST NEED TO GO DOWN THE LIST AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMNING AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMNING TO THE PRESIDENT AND MITCH TO THE PRESIDENT AND MITCH McCONNELL, BOTH OF WHOM CONTINUE McCONNELL, BOTH OF WHOM CONTINUE TO TRY TO BLOCK ALL EFFORTS TO TO TRY TO BLOCK ALL EFFORTS TO PUT UP THE TYPE OF SECURITY THAT PUT UP THE TYPE OF SECURITY THAT WE NEED TO PREVENT RUSSIA FROM WE NEED TO PREVENT RUSSIA FROM INTERFERING IN 2020, BUT YOU INTERFERING IN 2020, BUT YOU HAVE TRUMP’S DIRECTOR OF THE HAVE TRUMP’S DIRECTOR OF THE FBI, TRUMP’S APPOINTED DIRECTOR FBI, TRUMP’S APPOINTED DIRECTOR OF THE CIA,. OF THE CIA,. YOU HAD TRUMP’S, THE SECRETARY YOU HAD TRUMP’S, THE SECRETARY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ALL SAYING DIRECTLY SECURITY ALL SAYING DIRECTLY THAT THIS WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT THAT THIS WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. YOU EVEN HAD TRUMP’S ACTING MBI YOU EVEN HAD TRUMP’S ACTING MBI GO TO THE HILL LAST WEEK AND GO TO THE HILL LAST WEEK AND SAYING FAR MORE THAN THE THERMO SAYING FAR MORE THAN THE THERMO NUCLEAR BLAST FROM NORTH KOREA NUCLEAR BLAST FROM NORTH KOREA OR ANOTHER COUNTRY THE GREATEST OR ANOTHER COUNTRY THE GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICA WAS RUSSIA THREAT TO AMERICA WAS RUSSIA INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS. INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS. YOU NOW HAVE THE REPUBLICAN LED YOU NOW HAVE THE REPUBLICAN LED SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE TRAUGDRAW SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE TRAUGDRAW THIS SAME CONCLUSION, AND AGAIN, THIS SAME CONCLUSION, AND AGAIN, NOT ONLY DONALD TRUMP, BUT MITCH NOT ONLY DONALD TRUMP, BUT MITCH McCONNELL DOING ABSOLUTELY McCONNELL DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PROTECT US IN 2020 NOTHING TO PROTECT US IN 2020 FROM A SIMILAR ATTACK THAT ALL FROM A SIMILAR ATTACK THAT ALL OF THESE AGENCIES SAY IS THE OF THESE AGENCIES SAY IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICAN GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY.>>I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF>>I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BIPARTISAN SENATE REPORT IS THIS BIPARTISAN SENATE REPORT IS THAT IT UNDERMAINSINES THE NARRA THAT IT UNDERMAINSINES THE NARRA THAT DONALD TRUMP’S ATTORNEY THAT DONALD TRUMP’S ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR EVEN NOW IS GENERAL WILLIAM BARR EVEN NOW IS TRYING TO CONSTRUCT ABOUT SOME TRYING TO CONSTRUCT ABOUT SOME KIND OF DEEP STATE PLOT TO DO IN KIND OF DEEP STATE PLOT TO DO IN THE PRESIDENT, TO CAMPAIGN THE PRESIDENT, TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST HIM, TO REVERSE HIS AGAINST HIM, TO REVERSE HIS ELECTION. ELECTION. THAT’S WHAT BARR HAS BEEN THAT’S WHAT BARR HAS BEEN TRAVELING AROUND EUROPE TRYING TRAVELING AROUND EUROPE TRYING TO GATHER EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT, TO GATHER EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT, AND HERE IS THE SENATE AND HERE IS THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE LED BY A INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE LED BY A REPUBLICAN, WHICH SAYS NO, REPUBLICAN, WHICH SAYS NO, WHATEVER BARR TURNS UP IS WHATEVER BARR TURNS UP IS IRRELEVANT TO THE FACTS THAT WE IRRELEVANT TO THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE GATHERED THAT SHOW RUSSIAN HAVE GATHERED THAT SHOW RUSSIAN ATTEMPTS TO INTERFERE IN OUR ATTEMPTS TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTION, TO SUPPORT TRUMP, TO ELECTION, TO SUPPORT TRUMP, TO HINDER HILLARY CLINTON. HINDER HILLARY CLINTON. I THINK THAT’S THE KEY. I THINK THAT’S THE KEY. IT’S ONE MORE VOICE, BUT IT’S A IT’S ONE MORE VOICE, BUT IT’S A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT ONE. PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT ONE. WE’LL HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT WE’LL HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT COUNTER NARRATIVE. COUNTER NARRATIVE. THAT’S JUST BEGINNING TO CREST, THAT’S JUST BEGINNING TO CREST, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SUPPORT DONALD OUT THERE WHO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP WHO BELIEVE IT, SO IT’S TRUMP WHO BELIEVE IT, SO IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS BIPARTISAN COUNTER EVIDENCE COME BIPARTISAN COUNTER EVIDENCE COME OUT NOW. OUT NOW.>>AND AS THEY MIGHT SAY IN>>AND AS THEY MIGHT SAY IN CONGRESS, A POINT OF PERSONAL CONGRESS, A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE HERE, I CAME INTO PRIVILEGE HERE, I CAME INTO CONGRESS IN 1994 WITH A LOT OF CONGRESS IN 1994 WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSERVATIVE FIRE BRANDS WHO SAID THEY WERE FIRE BRANDS WHO SAID THEY WERE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE. CONSERVATIVE CAUSE. I’VE SEEN SO MANY OF THEM FALL I’VE SEEN SO MANY OF THEM FALL BY THE WAYSIDE, SO MANY OF THEM BY THE WAYSIDE, SO MANY OF THEM ACT IN WAYS THAT HAVE ACT IN WAYS THAT HAVE DISAPPOINTED NOT ONLY ME BUT DISAPPOINTED NOT ONLY ME BUT REAL COFFINNSERVATIVES. REAL COFFINNSERVATIVES. I CAME IN WITH RICHARD BURR, AND I CAME IN WITH RICHARD BURR, AND I DID NOT EXPECT ALL THESE YEARS I DID NOT EXPECT ALL THESE YEARS LATER, 20 YEARS LATER THAT HE LATER, 20 YEARS LATER THAT HE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WAS REALLY WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WAS REALLY ONE OF THE MOST STEADFAST ONE OF THE MOST STEADFAST ADVOCATES, ONE OF THE ADVOCATES, ONE OF THE STRAIGHTEST SHOOTERS FOR THE STRAIGHTEST SHOOTERS FOR THE RULE OF LAW, FOR TRUTH, FOR RULE OF LAW, FOR TRUTH, FOR PROTECTING THE COUNTRY. PROTECTING THE COUNTRY. I ALWAYS LIKED HIM, BUT HE I ALWAYS LIKED HIM, BUT HE WASN’T A FIRE BRAND. WASN’T A FIRE BRAND. HE JUST QUIETLY SAT BACK AND DID HE JUST QUIETLY SAT BACK AND DID HIS JOB. HIS JOB. I’LL BE DARNED IF HE’S NOT THE I’LL BE DARNED IF HE’S NOT THE GUY OUT OF ALL OF THOSE THAT I GUY OUT OF ALL OF THOSE THAT I CAME IN WITH WHO RIGHT NOW IS CAME IN WITH WHO RIGHT NOW IS PUTTING HIS COUNTRY ABOVE HIS PUTTING HIS COUNTRY ABOVE HIS PARTY. PARTY. IT’S A VERY RARE THING SADLY IN IT’S A VERY RARE THING SADLY IN WASHINGTON, D.C. THESE DAYS, BUT WASHINGTON, D.C. THESE DAYS, BUT THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING. THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING.>>JOE, YOU SAID THAT EXACTLY>>JOE, YOU SAID THAT EXACTLY RIGHT. RIGHT. HE’S GOT — HE HAS GOT THE BACK HE’S GOT — HE HAS GOT THE BACK OF HIS RANKING MEMBER, MARK OF HIS RANKING MEMBER, MARK WARNER, AND MARK WARNER HAS WARNER, AND MARK WARNER HAS RICHARD BURR’S BACK, AND THAT’S RICHARD BURR’S BACK, AND THAT’S THE WAY IT’S SUPPOSED TO WORK. THE WAY IT’S SUPPOSED TO WORK.>>THAT’S THE WAY WASHINGTON’S>>THAT’S THE WAY WASHINGTON’S SUPPOSED TO WORK, AND THAT’S THE SUPPOSED TO WORK, AND THAT’S THE WAY IT DOES WORK WHEN AMERICAN WAY IT DOES WORK WHEN AMERICAN LEADERS ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE LEADERS ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING AND ARE MORE RIGHT THING AND ARE MORE INTERESTED IN HELPING AMERICA INTERESTED IN HELPING AMERICA MOVE FORWARD THAN THEIR OWN MOVE FORWARD THAN THEIR OWN POLITICAL CAREERS. POLITICAL CAREERS. CHUCK ROSENBERG, WE TALKED EARLY CHUCK ROSENBERG, WE TALKED EARLY ON ABOUT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE ON ABOUT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE BASICALLY DECLARING WAR ON THIS BASICALLY DECLARING WAR ON THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ISN’T. WHAT IT ISN’T. DURING THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DURING THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION TIME AND AGAIN, I WAS CONCERNED TIME AND AGAIN, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IF ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IF DONALD TRUMP FIRED MUELLER, IF DONALD TRUMP FIRED MUELLER, IF THERE WAS LIKE A SATURDAY NIGHT THERE WAS LIKE A SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE OR IF A JUDICIAL RULING MASSACRE OR IF A JUDICIAL RULING CAME DOWN AND THE TRUMP CAME DOWN AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION REFUSED TO FOLLOW ADMINISTRATION REFUSED TO FOLLOW THAT JUDICIAL RULING. THAT JUDICIAL RULING. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. THIS IS MORE OF A POLITICAL THIS IS MORE OF A POLITICAL BATTLE, A PITCHED HEATED BATTLE, A PITCHED HEATED POLITICAL BATTLE, BUT NOT POLITICAL BATTLE, BUT NOT EXACTLY A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. EXACTLY A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT ARE SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE — THIS ISN’T NIXON SOME OF THE — THIS ISN’T NIXON DEFYING THE SUPREME COURT, IF HE DEFYING THE SUPREME COURT, IF HE HAD DEFIED THE SUPREME COURT. HAD DEFIED THE SUPREME COURT. THESE ARE TWO BRANCHES OF THESE ARE TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT FIGHTING EACH OTHER, GOVERNMENT FIGHTING EACH OTHER, SO IS THERE A LEGAL REMEDY? SO IS THERE A LEGAL REMEDY? CAN THESE COMMITTEE CHAIRMEN AND CAN THESE COMMITTEE CHAIRMEN AND CHAIR WOMEN GO TO THE COURTS AND CHAIR WOMEN GO TO THE COURTS AND HAVE TESTIMONY COMPELLED? HAVE TESTIMONY COMPELLED?>>THEORETICALLY, YES, JOE.>>THEORETICALLY, YES, JOE. PRACTICALLY, IT’S GOING TO TAKE PRACTICALLY, IT’S GOING TO TAKE A VERY LONG TIME, AND THAT’S THE A VERY LONG TIME, AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM. PROBLEM. YOU KNOW THIS FROM HAVING SERVED YOU KNOW THIS FROM HAVING SERVED AS A MEMBER, TYPICALLY THIS IS AS A MEMBER, TYPICALLY THIS IS DONE THROUGH ACCOMMODATION, BUT DONE THROUGH ACCOMMODATION, BUT HERE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS HERE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SIGNALED VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY SIGNALED VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY DON’T WANT TO ACCOMMODATE ANYONE DON’T WANT TO ACCOMMODATE ANYONE OR ANYTHING. OR ANYTHING. ONE THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ONE THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THIS, SOME CONTEXT IF TAKE FROM THIS, SOME CONTEXT IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE I WAS A YOU WILL, BECAUSE I WAS A PROSECUTOR FOR A LONG TIME. PROSECUTOR FOR A LONG TIME. LOTS AND LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE LOTS AND LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE THAT WE INVESTIGATE, SUBJECTS OR THAT WE INVESTIGATE, SUBJECTS OR TARGETS, DON’T COOPERATE WITH TARGETS, DON’T COOPERATE WITH US. US. THEY DESTROY DOCUMENTS. THEY DESTROY DOCUMENTS. THEY WITHHOLD EVIDENCE. THEY WITHHOLD EVIDENCE. THEY LIE OR COUNSEL OTHERS TO THEY LIE OR COUNSEL OTHERS TO LIE. LIE. AND NEVERTHELESS WE’RE ABLE TO AND NEVERTHELESS WE’RE ABLE TO PROSECUTE OUR CASES. PROSECUTE OUR CASES. IF YOU WANT A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE IF YOU WANT A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF THAT. OF THAT. LOOK AT VOLUME 2 OF THE MUELLER LOOK AT VOLUME 2 OF THE MUELLER REPORT WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE REPORT WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE OBSTRUCTED THE INVESTIGATION FOR OBSTRUCTED THE INVESTIGATION FOR MONTHS ON END, AND THE MUELLER MONTHS ON END, AND THE MUELLER TEAM WAS STILL ABLE TO DETAIL TEAM WAS STILL ABLE TO DETAIL WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY CAN THEY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY CAN THEY DO THAT? DO THAT? BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES TO GO TO GET INFORMATION. TO GO TO GET INFORMATION. RIGHT NOW WE’RE SEEING THAT, RIGHT NOW WE’RE SEEING THAT, EVEN WITH THE UKRAINE MATTER, EVEN WITH THE UKRAINE MATTER, THERE’S LOTS OF INFORMATION OUT THERE’S LOTS OF INFORMATION OUT THERE FROM OTHER SOURCES, FROM THERE FROM OTHER SOURCES, FROM TEXT MESSAGES, FROM TEXT MESSAGES, FROM RECOLLECTIONS, RIGHT? RECOLLECTIONS, RIGHT? FROM TESTIMONY THAT FROM TESTIMONY THAT INVESTIGATORS WILL GET EVEN INVESTIGATORS WILL GET EVEN WITHOUT THE WHITE HOUSE’S WITHOUT THE WHITE HOUSE’S COOPERATION. COOPERATION. SO DEEPLY UNFORTUNATE, NOT SO DEEPLY UNFORTUNATE, NOT TERRIBLY SURPRISING, BUT IT TERRIBLY SURPRISING, BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THE DOESN’T MEAN THAT THE INVESTIGATION COMES TO A DEAD INVESTIGATION COMES TO A DEAD HALT. HALT.>>YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, WILLIE,>>YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, WILLIE, IT’S NOT LIKE THE WHITE HOUSE, IT’S NOT LIKE THE WHITE HOUSE, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS HOLDING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS HOLDING ALL THE CARDS. ALL THE CARDS. THE HOUSE HAS THE POWER OF THE THE HOUSE HAS THE POWER OF THE PURSE. PURSE. THEY HAVE THE CHECKBOOK. THEY HAVE THE CHECKBOOK. THEY CAN CREATIVELY FIGURE OUT THEY CAN CREATIVELY FIGURE OUT WAYS TO SQUEEZE THE WHITE HOUSE, WAYS TO SQUEEZE THE WHITE HOUSE, TO SQUEEZE DONALD TRUMP, AT TO SQUEEZE DONALD TRUMP, AT LEAST — WE DID THAT TIME AND LEAST — WE DID THAT TIME AND AGAIN WHERE WE SQUEEZED THE AGAIN WHERE WE SQUEEZED THE WHITE HOUSE, AND AT THE VERY WHITE HOUSE, AND AT THE VERY LEAST YOU GET PEOPLE SITTING LEAST YOU GET PEOPLE SITTING DOWN AT THE TABLE AND FIGURE DOWN AT THE TABLE AND FIGURE OUT, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE BREAK OUT, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE BREAK THIS IMPASSE. THIS IMPASSE.>>YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO>>YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE HOUSE IS THE POINT WHERE THE HOUSE IS ISSUING SUBPOENAS, AND THE WHITE ISSUING SUBPOENAS, AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOW SAYING EXPLICITLY HOUSE IS NOW SAYING EXPLICITLY IN A LETTER SENT TO THE HOUSE IN A LETTER SENT TO THE HOUSE WE’RE NOT GOING TO COMPLY WITH WE’RE NOT GOING TO COMPLY WITH ANY OF THAT. ANY OF THAT. WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU DO? ASK ASK AND YOU JUST OFFERED ONE AND YOU JUST OFFERED ONE SOLUTION TO IT. SOLUTION TO IT. IT’S KIND OF A MOMENT WHERE BOTH IT’S KIND OF A MOMENT WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE GOING TO SIT THERE AND SIDES ARE GOING TO SIT THERE AND STARE AT EACH OTHER IN A STARE AT EACH OTHER IN A STANDOFF. STANDOFF. IT’S RARE YOU SEE THIS IN A IT’S RARE YOU SEE THIS IN A LETTER JUST AN EXPLICIT LETTER JUST AN EXPLICIT STATEMENT THAT WE’RE GOING TO STATEMENT THAT WE’RE GOING TO OBSTRUCT YOUR INVESTIGATION. OBSTRUCT YOUR INVESTIGATION. WE PUT IT DOWN IN WRITING. WE PUT IT DOWN IN WRITING. IT’S SORT OF A — IT’S A IT’S SORT OF A — IT’S A POLITICAL DEFENSE WRITTEN IN POLITICAL DEFENSE WRITTEN IN TRUMP LANGUAGE MASTERQUERADING A TRUMP LANGUAGE MASTERQUERADING A LEGAL DOCUMENT. LEGAL DOCUMENT.>>YOU NAILED IT.>>YOU NAILED IT. I WAS READING IT LAST NIGHT I WAS READING IT LAST NIGHT EIGHT PAGES FROM THE WHILE HOUSE EIGHT PAGES FROM THE WHILE HOUSE COUNSEL, ONE-THIRD OF IT IS COUNSEL, ONE-THIRD OF IT IS LEGALESE AS IT OUGHT TO BE AND LEGALESE AS IT OUGHT TO BE AND TWO-THIRDS IS A POLITICAL TRACK. TWO-THIRDS IS A POLITICAL TRACK. THE NEWS OUT OF IT, AND I THE NEWS OUT OF IT, AND I REALIZE THAT MOST HIGH SCHOOLS, REALIZE THAT MOST HIGH SCHOOLS, GRAMMAR SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY GRAMMAR SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY NO LONGER TEACH CIVICS, BUT THIS NO LONGER TEACH CIVICS, BUT THIS LETTER AND THE BEHAVIOR OF THE LETTER AND THE BEHAVIOR OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS BASICALLY AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT BASICALLY AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE BRANCH OF THERE IS ONLY ONE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH GOVERNMENT, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, AND CHUCK, TO OF GOVERNMENT, AND CHUCK, TO THAT POINT, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT POINT, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT — AND THIS WAS OF GOVERNMENT — AND THIS WAS REFERENCED BY DAVID IGNATIUS A REFERENCED BY DAVID IGNATIUS A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO — THE COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO — THE CONTINUING ROYALEING ROLE OF THE CONTINUING ROYALEING ROLE OF THE GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES IN GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES IN ALL OF THIS BILL BARR, FROM THE ALL OF THIS BILL BARR, FROM THE GET-GO FROM HIS PREEMPTIVE GET-GO FROM HIS PREEMPTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS IN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE MUELLER REPORT, WHAT WAS NOT THE MUELLER REPORT, WHAT WAS NOT IN THE MUELLER REPORT SKEWING IN THE MUELLER REPORT SKEWING PEOPLE’S PERCEPTIONS OF THAT PEOPLE’S PERCEPTIONS OF THAT REPORT TO HIS LATEST VENTURE REPORT TO HIS LATEST VENTURE OVERSEAS WITH JOHN DURHAM, WHO OVERSEAS WITH JOHN DURHAM, WHO HAS BEEN ASSIGNED AS AN HAS BEEN ASSIGNED AS AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, AND HE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, AND HE HAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL APPARENTLY LOOKING OVER HIS APPARENTLY LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER AS HE TRIES — AS THE SHOULDER AS HE TRIES — AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TRIES TO ATTORNEY GENERAL TRIES TO CONCOCT SOME ALTERNATIVE THEORY CONCOCT SOME ALTERNATIVE THEORY TO WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016, YOU’RE TO WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016, YOU’RE A VETERAN PROSECUTOR. A VETERAN PROSECUTOR. YOU’RE A VETERAN OF THE JUSTICE YOU’RE A VETERAN OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, YOU’RE A VETERAN OF DEPARTMENT, YOU’RE A VETERAN OF THE FBI, WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO THE FBI, WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO HIM? HIM?>>YOU KNOW, I HAD SAID FOR>>YOU KNOW, I HAD SAID FOR MONTHS, MIKE, THAT I THOUGHT MONTHS, MIKE, THAT I THOUGHT BARR WAS A PRINCIPALED BARR WAS A PRINCIPALED INSTITUTIONALIST, AND THEN I INSTITUTIONALIST, AND THEN I SAID I THINK ON THIS SHOW, I WAS SAID I THINK ON THIS SHOW, I WAS FLAT OUT WRONG. FLAT OUT WRONG. I HAD IT WRONG. I HAD IT WRONG. I’VE BEEN DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED I’VE BEEN DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT WHAT I’VE SEEN, AND THAT ABOUT WHAT I’VE SEEN, AND THAT FIRST THING, THAT FIRST THING FIRST THING, THAT FIRST THING THAT REALLY SORT OF SHOOK ME WAS THAT REALLY SORT OF SHOOK ME WAS MR. BARR’S MISCHARACTERIZATION MR. BARR’S MISCHARACTERIZATION OF BOB MUELLER’S WORK. OF BOB MUELLER’S WORK. AND AS YOU KNOW AND AS YOU’VE AND AS YOU KNOW AND AS YOU’VE SAID, RIGHT, ONCE THAT LIE IS SAID, RIGHT, ONCE THAT LIE IS OUT THERE, IT’S REALLY HARD FOR OUT THERE, IT’S REALLY HARD FOR THE TRUTH TO CATCH UP. THE TRUTH TO CATCH UP. AND WE SAW THAT WITH THE MUELLER AND WE SAW THAT WITH THE MUELLER REPORT. REPORT. PEOPLE STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT BOB MUELLER FOUND, AND WHAT BOB MUELLER FOUND, AND THAT’S DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING. THAT’S DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING. ALL THAT SAID, I ALSO HAVE ALL THAT SAID, I ALSO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN JOHN DURHAM. CONFIDENCE IN JOHN DURHAM. I KNOW JOHN, I TRUST JOHN, I I KNOW JOHN, I TRUST JOHN, I LIKE JOHN, AND I RESPECT JOHN. LIKE JOHN, AND I RESPECT JOHN. WHAT I’M WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT WHAT I’M WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT JOHN OR HIS FINDINGS OR HIS JOHN OR HIS FINDINGS OR HIS WORK, WHAT I’M WORRIED ABOUT AS WORK, WHAT I’M WORRIED ABOUT AS WITH THE MUELLER REPORT IS THE WITH THE MUELLER REPORT IS THE TENDENCY FOR THIS ATTORNEY TENDENCY FOR THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO MISCHARACTERIZE THAT GENERAL TO MISCHARACTERIZE THAT WORK, AND THAT’S THE DANGER. WORK, AND THAT’S THE DANGER. IT’S NOT WHAT JOHN IS DOING OR IT’S NOT WHAT JOHN IS DOING OR WHAT JOHN MIGHT FIND. WHAT JOHN MIGHT FIND. IT’S HOW JOHN’S WORK MIGHT BE IT’S HOW JOHN’S WORK MIGHT BE SPUN, AND THAT’S WHAT’S SO SPUN, AND THAT’S WHAT’S SO DISAPPOINTING TO ME, MIKE. DISAPPOINTING TO ME, MIKE.>>YOU KNOW, JOHN MEACHAM, I>>YOU KNOW, JOHN MEACHAM, I HAVE BEEN BORINGLY PREDICTABLE HAVE BEEN BORINGLY PREDICTABLE TALKING TIME AND AGAIN HOW TALKING TIME AND AGAIN HOW WASHINGTON’S INSTITUTIONS, WASHINGTON’S INSTITUTIONS, AMERICA’S INSTITUTIONS WOULD AMERICA’S INSTITUTIONS WOULD CHECK THE WORST AUTOCRATIC CHECK THE WORST AUTOCRATIC INSTINCTS OF DONALD TRUMP. INSTINCTS OF DONALD TRUMP. I MUST SAY, I’VE LEARNED AN I MUST SAY, I’VE LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL AWFUL LOT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS YEARS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I’VE LEARNED IS THAT THE I’VE LEARNED IS THAT THE POSITION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL IS POSITION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL IS PARTICULARLY SUSCEPTIBLE SO PARTICULARLY SUSCEPTIBLE SO CORRUPTION, AND NOT HAVING CORRUPTION, AND NOT HAVING THAT — YOU LOOK AT THE ATTORNEY THAT — YOU LOOK AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WHO, I BELIEVE, IS GENERAL BARR WHO, I BELIEVE, IS EVERY BIT AS FWRAIFGRAVE OF A TH EVERY BIT AS FWRAIFGRAVE OF A TH TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS AS TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS AS DONALD TRUMP, AND LET’S — WHAT DONALD TRUMP, AND LET’S — WHAT CHUCK JUST SAID, HERE’S A GUY CHUCK JUST SAID, HERE’S A GUY THAT LIED ABOUT THE MUELLER THAT LIED ABOUT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION AND THE FINDINGS. INVESTIGATION AND THE FINDINGS. HE ACTUALLY WENT AND TESTIFIED HE ACTUALLY WENT AND TESTIFIED AND LIED AND THREW OUT A AND LIED AND THREW OUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT HAD LONG CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT HAD LONG BEEN DEBUNKED ON WHAT THE BASIS BEEN DEBUNKED ON WHAT THE BASIS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WAS, EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT WAS WAS, EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT WAS A LIE. A LIE. HE’S GOING AROUND THE GLOBE HE’S GOING AROUND THE GLOBE RIGHT NOW CHASING CONSPIRACY RIGHT NOW CHASING CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT HE KNOWS IS A LIE THEORIES THAT HE KNOWS IS A LIE BECAUSE HE’S NOT REPTRESENTING BECAUSE HE’S NOT REPTRESENTING THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE. HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S ROY COHN. HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S ROY COHN. AND NOW OF COURSE YOU HAVE AND NOW OF COURSE YOU HAVE CONGRESS DEFYING — OR YOU HAVE CONGRESS DEFYING — OR YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP DEFYING CONGRESS, DONALD TRUMP DEFYING CONGRESS, THE WHITE HOUSE, AND HAVING THE WHITE HOUSE, AND HAVING CONTEMPT FOR THEIR TRADITIONAL CONTEMPT FOR THEIR TRADITIONAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES, AND OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES, AND I JUST WONDER HOW DOES THIS I JUST WONDER HOW DOES THIS STACK UP TO WATERGATE IN 1974? STACK UP TO WATERGATE IN 1974? HOW DOES BARR STACK UP TO JOHN HOW DOES BARR STACK UP TO JOHN MITCHELL? MITCHELL? BECAUSE SUDDENLY JOHN MITCHELL BECAUSE SUDDENLY JOHN MITCHELL DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE WORST DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE WORST ATTORNEY GENERAL IN U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL IN U.S. HISTORY. HISTORY. HE SEEMS LIKE HE’S PROBABLY HE SEEMS LIKE HE’S PROBABLY GOING TO COME IN SECOND. GOING TO COME IN SECOND.>>YOU KNOW, IN AMERICAN LEGAL>>YOU KNOW, IN AMERICAN LEGAL HISTORY, YOU CAN EITHER BE JOHN HISTORY, YOU CAN EITHER BE JOHN MARSHAL OR JOHN MITCHELL, AND I MARSHAL OR JOHN MITCHELL, AND I THINK BILL BARR HAS CHOSEN HIS THINK BILL BARR HAS CHOSEN HIS FATE HERE, AND SO MITCHELL WAS FATE HERE, AND SO MITCHELL WAS LONG-TIME FRIEND INSOFAR AS LONG-TIME FRIEND INSOFAR AS NIXON HAD FRIEND, HAD BEEN HIS NIXON HAD FRIEND, HAD BEEN HIS LAW PARTNER, AND MUNICIPAL BOND LAW PARTNER, AND MUNICIPAL BOND LAWYER, HAD LEFT THE JUSTICE LAWYER, HAD LEFT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO RUN THE COMMITTEE DEPARTMENT TO RUN THE COMMITTEE TO REELECT THE PRESIDENT. TO REELECT THE PRESIDENT. THE COMMITTEE TO REELECT THE THE COMMITTEE TO REELECT THE PRESIDENT, WHICH, AGAIN, IN THIS PRESIDENT, WHICH, AGAIN, IN THIS CONTEXT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY CONTEXT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY SEDATE OPERATION WAS — AT LEAST SEDATE OPERATION WAS — AT LEAST IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC, YOU IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN’T HIRE RUSSIAN KNOW, THEY DIDN’T HIRE RUSSIAN BURGLARS. BURGLARS. I GUESS IF THEY’D OUTSOURCED I GUESS IF THEY’D OUTSOURCED THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORSE. THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORSE. MITCHELL WAS AN ARCHITECT OF THE MITCHELL WAS AN ARCHITECT OF THE COVER-UP, AND WAS A FORMER COVER-UP, AND WAS A FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THAT POINT, ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THAT POINT, BUT THE POINT REMAINS. BUT THE POINT REMAINS. WHAT GENERAL BARR HAS DONE IS WHAT GENERAL BARR HAS DONE IS TREATED THE PRESIDENT AND HIS TREATED THE PRESIDENT AND HIS POLITICAL CAPACITY AS HIS POLITICAL CAPACITY AS HIS PRIMARYO’PPOSED TO THE PRIMARYO’PPOSED TO THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE OF THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. THAT’S THE DECISION HE MADE. THAT’S THE DECISION HE MADE. HE’LL ANSWER FOR IT AT THE — IN HE’LL ANSWER FOR IT AT THE — IN THE LONG SWEEP OF HISTORY, AND I THE LONG SWEEP OF HISTORY, AND I THINK WHAT — WHERE WE ARE IN THINK WHAT — WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THE HISTORICAL TERMS OF THE HISTORICAL COMPARISON WITH WATERGATE IS COMPARISON WITH WATERGATE IS VERY CLOSE. VERY CLOSE. WE’RE HEADING TOWARD A U.S. V. WE’RE HEADING TOWARD A U.S. V. TRUMP SUPREME COURT CASE. TRUMP SUPREME COURT CASE. ALL THE LANGUAGE FROM WATERGATE, ALL THE LANGUAGE FROM WATERGATE, STONEWALLING, MODIFIED LIMITED STONEWALLING, MODIFIED LIMITED HANGOUT, TWIST SLOWLY, SLOWLY IN HANGOUT, TWIST SLOWLY, SLOWLY IN THE WIND, THAT WHOLE VERNACULAR THE WIND, THAT WHOLE VERNACULAR IS ENTIRELY APPLICABLE HERE. IS ENTIRELY APPLICABLE HERE. THE ONE THING THAT’S A LITTLE THE ONE THING THAT’S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS THAT WE’RE MOVING DIFFERENT IS THAT WE’RE MOVING EVEN MORE RAPIDLY, THAT IS THE EVEN MORE RAPIDLY, THAT IS THE SPEED IS QUICKER. SPEED IS QUICKER. THE RATE OF SPEED IS QUICKER, THE RATE OF SPEED IS QUICKER, AND I THINK DON’T UNDER AND I THINK DON’T UNDER ESTIMATE, OR AS GEORGE W. BUSH ESTIMATE, OR AS GEORGE W. BUSH WAS SAYING, LET’S NOT MISUNDER WAS SAYING, LET’S NOT MISUNDER ESTIMATE THOSE POLLS, THAT 58, ESTIMATE THOSE POLLS, THAT 58, THAT 53. THAT 53. WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN 58% OF THE WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN 58% OF THE PEOPLE TO AGREE TO GO TO BURGER PEOPLE TO AGREE TO GO TO BURGER KING THIS A LONG TIME IN THIS KING THIS A LONG TIME IN THIS COUNTRY. COUNTRY. 58% IS A BIG NUMBER IF THAT’S A 58% IS A BIG NUMBER IF THAT’S A SOLID NUMBER. SOLID NUMBER. AS WILLIE WAS SAYING, THIS IS AS WILLIE WAS SAYING, THIS IS THE EDMOND BURKE MOMENT FOR THE EDMOND BURKE MOMENT FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. THEY REFLECT THE WILL OF THEIR THEY REFLECT THE WILL OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS OR THEY EXERCISE CONSTITUENTS OR THEY EXERCISE THEIR JUDGMENT, AND THE 58% OR THEIR JUDGMENT, AND THE 58% OR LET’S CALL IT 55%, THAT ENABLES LET’S CALL IT 55%, THAT ENABLES THEM TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. THEM TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.>>YOU KNOW, WILLIE GEIST, I’VE>>YOU KNOW, WILLIE GEIST, I’VE GOT TO SAY THERE’S A REASON WE GOT TO SAY THERE’S A REASON WE PAY JOHN MEACHAM THE BIG BUCKS. PAY JOHN MEACHAM THE BIG BUCKS. YOU JUST HAD A BEAUTIFUL YOU JUST HAD A BEAUTIFUL ELOQUENT DISSERTATION ON JOHN ELOQUENT DISSERTATION ON JOHN MARSHAL, EDMOND BURKE AND BURGER MARSHAL, EDMOND BURKE AND BURGER KING. KING.>>AND BURGER KING.>>AND BURGER KING.>>OKAY.>>OKAY.>>BY THE WAY, WILLIE, YOU AND>>BY THE WAY, WILLIE, YOU AND I, WE ARE THE 58% THAT SAY LET’S I, WE ARE THE 58% THAT SAY LET’S ALL GO TO BURGER KING. ALL GO TO BURGER KING.>>AMEN, BROTHER.>>AMEN, BROTHER. AMEN. AMEN.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. YEAH, OR WHAT’S THE ONE THAT YEAH, OR WHAT’S THE ONE THAT DOES THE WHOPPER? DOES THE WHOPPER? IS THAT BURGER KING? IS THAT BURGER KING?>>THAT’S BURGER KING.>>THAT’S BURGER KING. DELICIOUS. DELICIOUS.>>WELCOME TO AMERICA MIKA.>>WELCOME TO AMERICA MIKA. THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY. THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY.>>HOW DOES SHE NOT KNOW WHAT A>>HOW DOES SHE NOT KNOW WHAT A WHOPPER IS? WHOPPER IS? GOOD LORD. GOOD LORD.>>I’VE NEVER HAD ONE.>>I’VE NEVER HAD ONE.>>YOU’VE NEVER HAD ONE?>>YOU’VE NEVER HAD ONE?>>THEY’RE CHARCOAL BROILED.>>THEY’RE CHARCOAL BROILED.>>SPECIAL ORDERS DON’T UPSET>>SPECIAL ORDERS DON’T UPSET US. US.>>STILL AHEAD ON “MORNING>>STILL AHEAD ON “MORNING JOE” — JOE” –>>AM I BEING MOCKED FOR NOT>>AM I BEING MOCKED FOR NOT EATING A WHOPPER?

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